Finding Zero Mile in Detroit

Finding Zero Mile in Detroit

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“You’re going to Detroit? Why? Isn’t in dangerous there?”

It’s a question I received again and again leading up to my long weekend in Detroit, Michigan, to spend time with friends from Milan, Italy (random, I know). Not only was I looking forward to catching up with them, but also to exploring an American city I had never visited for the first time.

And then, the inevitable follow-up question in the conversation would come: “Isn’t that where the movie 8 Mile was filmed?”

It seems that most Americans’ (and foreigners’) ideas of Detroit come from the movie 8 Mile, based in large part on rapper Eminem’s upbringing and struggles growing up in the rough neighborhoods around the road ‘8 Mile’ in Detroit, a de facto dividing line between black and white, and poor and rich communities still.

Given that the Detroit reference point for most people was a road counting out 8 miles from the center of town – and that there are lots of other “mile” roads counting out from the city before and after it – I expected the central point, or zero mile marker, to be obvious.

But let’s back up a little bit.

Kilometer Zeros Around the World

As most of the world is on the metric system, it is far more typical to see a ‘kilometer zero’ than a ‘zero mile’ marker, but there are plenty of both to be found all over (thanks, British Empire).

For anyone who’s visited the famous Cathedral Notre-Dame in Paris, France, you may have come across this marker perched in the cobblestones out front like I did:

Point Zero Paris France Notre Dame DSC_0780

It was a bit of a ritual for me to seek out the point from which all roads in France are measured, especially in such a lovely locale in Paris’s center.

Although I haven’t been to Madrid, Spain yet (I know, I know), there is also a quite prominent zero kilometer marker there as well:

Image: Wikimedia Commons
Image: Wikimedia Commons

Like in France, it marks the highway kilometer counts and is also the central point for the numbered roads within the city of Madrid.

While most of the ‘kilometer zero’ markers are still used and prominent today within the specific city or country where they’re located, few I expected to be as iconic and visible as the ‘zero mile’ in a city known for roads like Six Mile, Seven Mile, Eight Mile, Nine Mile, and so on.

Nine Mile Road Finding Zero Mile Detroit Michigan Point of Origin DSC_0969

The Quest

Surely, I thought that finding the ‘zero mile’ marker of Detroit to be a quick stop on my first day in town. I was mistaken.

I don’t know how this is possible, but no one knew where it was!

Not my friend who was born and raised in Detroit.
Not my friend who moved there recently and lives right downtown.
Not the guard at the nearby courthouse in the Penobscot Building.
Not even park patrol at Campus Martius, the supposed site itself, while standing with a dozen steps of the actual spot.

I finally located the ‘Zero Mile’ in Detroit on my third try, my final day in town, only realizing then that I had actually been standing right next to it my first day exploring.

Detroit’s Zero Mile Marker

So how long had that thing been around anyway, that nobody seems to know about it?

It took quite a bit of searching on the internet across my multiple searches to even find enough information to locate the spot in the end. And was hard to find even when I knew what to look for. Although Detroit has numbered mile roads that led me to seek a ‘Zero Mile,’ the central spot where counting began is actually known primarily as the ‘Point of Origin.’

Historically, Detroit’s current road system was laid out after an 1805 fire that decimated the city despite causing no fatalities. A local judge created a wheel-and-spoke system modeled after Washington DC’s street layout, designating where the mile count would start.

A 6-foot tall square granite pillar was erected to literally mark the spot where the surveying began, although over time it became buried and hidden, only visible at ground level by the accompanying marker, the ‘Point of Origin.’ The Detroit ‘Point of Origin’ marker used to be easier to find, looking like this:

Image: Waymarking
Image: Waymarking

The Campus Martius park had an overhaul as part of downtown renovations and revitalization, with the park being rededicated in 2004, and according to my research was the location of Detroit’s ‘Point of Origin,’

Despite having seen a picture online of what I now know to be the old ‘Zero Mile’ marker, and knowing the narrow park area contained it, I saw nothing even approaching this photo in my strolling.

So what does it look like today?

Zero Mile Marker Point of Origin Finding Zero Mile Detroit Michigan DSC_0255

As you can see, the marker is quite unobtrusive, with the year after the fire only vaguely visible. You’re only likely to find it if you’re specifically seeking it out!

To get there, go to Campus Martius, a prominent oval-shaped park in central Detroit. Go to the side of the fountain facing the restaurant, and there it is, in the ground, right by the entrance:

Campus Martius Finding Zero Mile Detroit Michigan 20171009_170554 (2)

I’m not sure why Detroit hasn’t kept the old lettering that boldly announced the presence of the ‘zero mile’ marker, Detroit’s ‘Point of Origin.’ But if you’d like, you too can visit the spot where it all began!

Have you visited any ‘zero mile’ or ‘kilometer zero’ markers either in your hometown or in your travels? Or managed to find Detroit’s ‘Point of Origin’ like I did? Tell me all about it in the Comments, I’d love to visit more!

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Finding Zero Mile Detroit Michigan Point of Origin

13 thoughts on “Finding Zero Mile in Detroit

  1. Great post, Lana! I’ve lived in Detroit area for number of years, and never heard about “zero-mile” marker. I’ve always heard that 8 Mile was a “base line”, a reference from which higher miles were measured from.
    Few months ago, I was on a guided tour in downtown Detroit, and we stood by the marker, facing the fountain, as our guide explained the history of surrounding landmarks. He never mentioned the marker. I guess, he doesn’t know about it either…

    1. Hi Rich, thanks so much for reading and commenting! Even my friend who is a Detroit native didn’t know about the Detroit Zero Mile, it’s so crazy to me that it is not marked better. Today I saw the zero marker in Copenhagen, Denmark – it’s amazing how many cities have these.
      Happy travels!
      Lana

    2. The base line is the latitudinal line from which the townships are measured either north or south. Michigan is laid out in a grid of townships, measured township # north or south of the base line and range east or west of a longitudinal line. Township 1 North range 1 eat would be the first township north of the baseline and east of the measuring longitudinal line. From that intersection almost all real property in Michigan is described. Oh, and if you extend the base line across Lake Michigan, it forms the boundary between Illinois and Wisconsin. You can thank Thomas Jefferson for this system.

      1. Thanks David, for all of those additional details. Thomas Jefferson was so huge on the idea of longitudinal lines that there is actually a marker you can still visit in Washington, DC that he wanted to be adopted as the Prime Meridian (before the current one was set in Greenwich, England). It’s right by the Washington Monument!

  2. I was born and raised in Detroit and I have studied the history of Detroit and I’ve been a map fanatic since childhood, I have never seen either, and unfortunately I’m not surprised that when they reconstructed campus martius they didn’t keep the original marker, cause it’s too much like right. Detroit rarely keeps its historical beauty, and even when they do it sits in decay for decades

    1. I’m glad to have found another map and mile marker fan. It’s a shame the Detroit Zero Mile isn’t as obvious as it once was, but I’m glad the spot is still there even if it takes a bit of hunting to find! I hope you get a chance to see it in person.

  3. Fascinating post! What a shame that they have such a plain marker compared to the one before. I’ve never gone looking for Zero Mile/Km. markers, but now I will. My husband is always searching out and photographing survey markers when we travel.

    1. Thanks, Cindy! It’s been fun to seek out the zero kilometer/mile markers in different cities, enjoy.

  4. My daughter recently purchased her husband a t-shirt that has the prominent names, locations and venues of Detroit (both present and past). Zero Mile was one of the names listed on it. Everyone questioned it, claimed they never heard of it and most assumed it was an error by the manufacturer.

    I grew up on the East Side of Detroit near Mack Avenue and Moross in the 1950s and many people my age also grew up in Detroit in the 1950s. For the most part, we live in the suburbs known as the East Side, which is actually north of the City of Detroit, not East. But that is an entirely different story in itself.

    I was shocked to discover that I was the only person out of over 50 people who knew the story of the Great Fire of Detroit in 1805 along with the plan for how the streets would be laid out.

    I don’t recall all these decades latter how I gained this knowledge, but it saddens me to learn so very few people have any knowledge of the Great Fire of 1805. Especially since the flag of the City of Detroit contains the mottos:

    SPERAMUS MELIORA
    and
    RESURGET CINERIBUS

    The translation from Latin is:

    We hope for better things
    and
    It will rise from the ashes

    Those mottos were written by Father Gabriel Richard, who founded the University of Michigan, about the 1805 fire.

    I knew that the Zero Mile Marker was located somewhere in Camps Martius Park, but never knew exactly where its location was. I guess I expected something a bit more significant and grandeur. On my next visit to Campus Martius Park, I will definitely seek it out and photograph it.

    Thanks so much for your web site, taking the time to give us the story and history. And, especially, thanks to your post, over 50 people no longer think that I’m crazy or a nutty for claiming that a Zero Mile actually does exist in the City of Detroit. Plus, besides the fact that it actually exists, it is also a very important piece of Detroit history even over 200 years latter.

    I hope you enjoyed your visit to Detroit. There is a great amount of places to see and things to do. Plus many, many more interesting places just a short drive from Detroit City to the many surrounding suburbs.

    1. Hi Laurie, thanks so much for taking the time to write and for all of your insights as a Detroit native. I found it sad that seeing the previous pictures of the zero mile marker that it is so subtle and hard-to-find today, but it was still satisfying to locate it and take photos. I’m glad this post help you settle the debate! I had a wonderful time visiting Detroit, and definitely hope to come back again soon.

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